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December 16, 2009

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Eveline

I remember first seeing the name Knitta Please in a Threadbanger video and never giving it a second thought until I read all the comments. How dare Threadbanger support such a group, and didn't they know how racist it sounded, blah blahblah...

Since 3.5 years I am a foreigner. It's strange to be a foreigner. People (and by 'people' I mainly mean my sweetie's family) forget that I am one, and then moan about 'those bloody foreigners' who just come over here and steal jobs, women and get money for nothing. I then cough, to let them know that they are bashing foreigners in front of one. 'Oh noooo...' they then tell me, 'We don't mean you! You're different...' I am not quite sure what that means. Is it because I am white? But then again, so are the Poles they bash. (Sometimes when the Pole-bashing becomes too severe I'll gently remind them that my grandfather was Polish and helped liberate Holland from the Germans..) Is it because I speak the language? I don't know... But it's made me more aware of subtle racism, which I find more disturbing that oud-and-out racism, to be honest... Especially because nobody ever 'means to sound racist', but then tell me that they've turned down an offer by Indian friends to enjoy their holiday home out in Spain 'because she cooks curries all the time and I worry about the smell getting into my clothes'. *sigh*

(I still don't think there's anything wrong with Knitta Please for a knitting group)

leslie herger

I learned of it through ThreadBanger, but never really gave it much of a thought, other than to chuckle a bit and think about it being ignorant. I think its entirely different when you bring it up to someone who isnt white. Having seen first hand overt and even subtle racism its not pretty. Knitta, Please, is just ignorant yet funny rolled into one.

I hear the damn foreigners comments here as well. I turn around and remind people that if more Americans would WORK rather than suck welfare there wouldnt be any work for the immigrants and that were all immigrants unless we can trace our ancestry to the Native Americans. Sure kick all the immigrants out, but wed all have to leave too. Id tell you about applicants where I work but Im afraid that my boss wouldnt like it.

Where I grew up there are a few industries that are seasonal and if you are good at it you can make really good money, but its hard damn labor. The first is raking or picking blueberries, it lasts only one month but the money is good. Its hard work in the hot sun. My father owns blueberry fields and all growing up I helped with the harvest. I made really good money. My father now hires machines to harvest the land becuase he cant find people willing to do the harvest. Locals wont do it. The other industry that is seasonal and very good money is making Christmas wreaths. Again it lasts about a month or 2 and is hard damn work. But a lot of the local wont do it. So who gets the jobs? Migrant workers.

The issue here is how the system is set up. For people to get help they have to be so destitute that they cant work at all lest they loose the government help. Its a rock and a hard place.

Paula

Wow, what a post! So many things to think about. For this "white girl" who happens to be with a Jamaican, I know all about ignorance. Growing up in a big city (Toronto) I was exposed to, and grew up with all races, so it's no biggy for me. Then I got transferred to the suburbs. What a different world this is, it's opened my eyes wide to how wrong I was about society progressing... it hasn't progressed, they've just moved to the suburbs.
Anyway, now I'm ranting which wasn't my intent. I can't wait for the man to get home to have this discussion. Just last night I was showing him the JCrafty video, which we both thought was hilarious ("they be rubberstamping my fingers" lmao, you must search for it. I first saw it on Kelly Kilmer's blog), but after this post, now I'm having second thoughts. Sorry if I'm just fueling the fire!
Have a great night, and thanks for being real.

leslie herger

@paula
I grew up in the sticks but I was surrounded by people who felt being racist was wrong, most notably my parents. I remember once an elderly woman used the N word infront of me and I didnt know what it meant and later i asked my Mom and she explained it to me and told me I was never to use the word because it was about hate and ignorance. The was before the whole takin it back thing. This was when there were no gray areas around the word- it was just hateful and mean and ignorant. And racism was rampant around me growing up, toward black people and worst of all to the Native Americans in the area. I grew up not far from the Passamaquoddy reservation and with a large number of Micmacs nearby, the hate toward them was insane. I never understood it nor will I.

Ive always looked at that sort of thing as ignorant. The hard part about it is the ingrained ignorance that goes along with it all. You cant educate hate out of people. No matter what  you do, ingrained hate is a stain on society.

I like the jCrafty video too. Im not sure what to think about it, this whole thing has my head in knots thinking about it. Of course that could also be the Dayquil Ive taken for my cold.... Then I think that over the years rap has moved into an arena for all people to make it. Look at Eminem and other white rappers (sorry dont have other peopel I can point to off the top of my head, rap is a no go zone for me.)

Am I saying Knitta, Please is wrong? no I just think its ignorant. For me I never want to be labeled as ignorant, if someone else wants to be then its fine for them.

Barb

Wow! First off, I am loving the Art Journaling ning site...what a glorious place you have made for us! I am hoping that life calms down a bit (sooner than later) so I can take part more over there. Thank you so much for such a grand "place" for art journalists to congregate and learn from each other.

As for Knitta, Please...I had missed the controversy until you pointed it out to me here. I am not a knitter so I guess that's how I avoided the hoopla up until now. But now that I do know, I find it offensive...even though I am a white chick from the sticks of Alabama. Being from the South often means to people that I, too, am racist, sexist, and an all-out bible-thumping fool. Trust me, I am none of the above...but still, people assume. I see racism every.single.day down here...and I have a biracial daughter so I see more of it than most "white folks" around these parts.

I think I get a little torn about the whole subject, to be honest. I believe Knitta, Please WAS done very tongue-in-cheek but I don't believe that fact makes it okay. I don't think it's cool for anyone to use derogatory terms, even those of whatever group it's directed toward. These terms ARE hateful and ignorant; they are mean and meant to put down others...so how can the use of a play on words directly related to one such cliche` be "cute?" I just don't see it.

Just glad I'm not in the line of fire on this one, for sure.

Peace & Love,
~Barb~

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